A Primer on Victim Survivability Profiling and “Taking It To The Streets” Program

What you should know or how you should conduct yourself before engaging in debate.


Chris Naum’s latest ‘Taking It To The Streets’ program on FirefighterNetcast is “Victim Survivability Profiling” with guest FDNY Captain Stephen Marsar (Division 3). This topic is probably the most heated debate within the fire service, possibly topping searching vacant buildings.

I am familiar with the debate going around on this tactic. It was also an interesting subject at FDIC this year. Whether or not you agree with Captain Marsar’s research, I’d like to point out a few things that would help everyone when you discuss it.

First, read the research paper.
Much of what is being discussed is based on hearsay and emotion. If you’re going to take a stand, make sure it’s on a solid foundation.

Finally, treat the other guy with respect.
Sure, we’re not going to agree on everything. There are members on the same department in some places that can’t agree on strategy and tactics.
No one is going to win any arguments when we start throwing around “sallies” and “cowboys”

Captain Marsar’s research “Can They Be Saved? Utilizing Civilian Survivability Profiling to Enhance Size-Up and Reduce Firefighter Fatalities in the Fire Department, City of New York” recently won a U.S. Fire Administration’s Outstanding Research Award as part of the Executive Fire Officer program.

Read the paper, listen to the broadcast and then, most importantly, see what truly applies to you.


There’s a lot to consider when trying to make the stairs.
Is reasoning that an occupant is dead or alive one of them?




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Comments
Ron Ayotte
“FEAR” by Ric Jorge
Ric, excellent article. Your FD is not the only one that suffers from TAS (Training Anxiety Syndrome). Same circus, different community. As far as seeking help from an EAP, I did take advantage of my community's EAP 8 years into my career. I was heading down the road to a separation/divorce after I got promoted…
2014-12-04 16:04:47
Mike McAdams
Who Looks After The Victims?
Captain LeBlanc, Great point in the blog debating the new and old techniques and how to blend them into that first minutes on the fire ground. One of the first points stated was “Unless they know your manpower, resources and abilities, and are standing in that front lawn at 2:00 a.m., all they can do…
2014-12-02 14:45:23
Ruel Douvillier
Who Looks After The Victims?
I suspect these new tactics are all related to the NFPA standard that came out a few years ago recommending higher manpower on apparatus than the authorities having jurisdiction were prepared to implement. For the 30+ years that I've been fighting fires, UL and NIST have been using the data that they gained by setting…
2014-12-02 11:48:44
Joseph carroll
Who Looks After The Victims?
I work in a dept with 2 man Engine cos, man powers is an issue with our first due assignment. (3 engs,2 Trks , Batt Chief). Usually 13 Firefighters on the assignment. At times the exterior attack has no option, heavy fire too include exposures etc. some new leaders feel that this exterior attack is…
2014-12-01 19:05:51
Brian
Who Looks After The Victims?
Am I missing the old SSLEEVES-OCD pneumonic??? seems that one. It addressed alot of the things we have to think of, and the new Slicers is something that I think in right circumstances and construction would make sense, but at other times might be completely useless. I have watched and read alot of the NIST…
2014-12-01 02:10:06
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