Remembrance Challenge Answer

A fire on this day took the lives of at least one from every rank.








The photo from yesterday is of 6 East 23rd Street in Manhattan. 44 years ago today a floor collapse took the lives of 12 members of the FDNY.

DC Thomas A Reilly, Division 3
BC Walter J Higgins, Battalion 7
Lt John J Finley, Ladder 7
Lt Joseph Priore, Engine 18
Fr John G Berry, Ladder 7
Fr James V Galanaugh, Engine 18
Fr Rudolph F Kaminsky, Ladder 7
Fr Joseph Kelly, Engine 18
Fr Carl Lee Ladder, 7
Fr William F McCarron, Division 3
Fr Daniel L Rey, Engine 18
Fr Bernard A Tepper, Engine 18

If you want to be technical, then the 23rd Street Collapse is the worst fire to have happened to the department excluding the terrorist attacks of 11 September. The firefighters killed in the collapse on 6 East 23rd Street did not know they were operating directly over the cellar fire in 7 East 22 St. The five inch concrete terrazzo floor acted as an insulator. It concealed the severe fire and heat below. The 3 inch x 14 inch floor beams spaced 16 inches on center were reduced in size and strength by the fire. The first sign of weakness was the sudden collapse of a 15 x 35 foot section, which plunged the ten firefighters to their deaths. Two other firefighters were killed on the first floor by a ball of flame.

So instead of “RIP” and “RFB” how about taking a look of at least one taxpayer, strip-mall and other similar structure with a basement in your first-due area or battalion and ask yourself the following:

1. What type of floor construction are we dealing with?

2. What is the fuel load?

3. What are the indicators of a floor collapse?

4. When was the last time we practiced a mayday for members missing in a collapse?

References
“Retired FDNY Capt. determined to remember fallen Bravest”, Daily News 2009
“50 Ways Firefighters Die”, Vincent Dunn
“Collapse of Burning Buildings”, Dunn
“Safety and Survival on the Fireground”, Dunn
“Collapse Search and Rescue Plan”, Dunn
“Cellar Fires”, Dunn
Worksheet: “Taxpayer Fires”, Dunn
Worksheet: “Cellar Fires”, Dunn

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Dave LeBlanc
Who Looks After The Victims?
Dave - I think the reason there is a debate is because the message is so contorted. From those that have chosen to manipulate the information to suit their position, the the ISFSI own website saying different things about what the tactics truly are. I agree 100% with giving everyone the information and letting them…
2014-11-20 22:06:56
Dave Skidmore
Who Looks After The Victims?
I'm glad you identified the "one issue no one is discussing, the lack of manpower on scene". My department runs a single apparatus, staffed with a minimum of 4 guys sometimes 5, with our second due being either our paid call or mutual aid - either option realistically being 10 plus minutes behind the first…
2014-11-19 22:01:40
Heath Smith
Who Looks After The Victims?
Great article Dave. I agree with your comment that "they became traditions because they work." And yes if you change the focus from life safety to your own safety how about holding a town meeting and letting those you swore to protect know whats going on, I am sure they will see your point!
2014-11-19 19:28:21
Ron Ayotte
Who Looks After The Victims?
Excellence as usual, Dave.
2014-11-19 03:39:35
Ron Ayotte
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David... excellent series.
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