March 30 Second Drill

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Boston E.28 (Box 714 Imaging.com)

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stopwatch imageA working fire beyond the scope of room and contents generally requires more than two hoselines. Many factors are used as guidance when stretching additional hoselines. Some of these are written into SOPs. Others are done based on the size-up and on scene information.






  • Outside of the backup line, what factors determine where additional hoselines are to go?
  • When arriving at a fire (not first-due), do you stretch your hoseline off the first due engine or off your own engine?
  • Does your department have any guidance as far as too many hoselines going up interior stairwells or using ladders or fire escape in your stretch?
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    3 Comments

    • John says:

      NY
      Additional lines depends on type of building and location of fire i.e. 5 story MD fire on 3rd floor addional lines going to floor(s) above, 2 story frame attached fire 2nd floor additional lines going to exposures.

      2nd line usually comes off 1st due engine, any additonal must come from another engine.

      Minimum 2 lines up the stairway ( at least that the way it is written) additonal line up fire escape or rope stretch up side of building into window

    • Dave LeBlanc says:

      Most severe exposure (floor above typical)

      Depends on how the companies are set up, but 2nd line is typically off the 1st engine.

      2 lines in the stairs, although I am not sure it is a written policy

    • Jeff Schwering says:

      Mo.
      Expose protection first, floor above, structure next door, or whatever the case may be.

      Second line normally off the first due engine, but be flexible.

      My rule is no more than 2 lines in the stairs or a doorway, however no written policy is in place.

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    Very good explanation! I have been known to have the same rant.
    2015-01-17 03:58:59
    Anthony Correia
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    Dave i agree with your whole post. However the one thing I'm not experiencing or seeing is the over safetyifcation. While i hear words spoke about being safe when possible, but not sacrificing service for safety. If anything, i see firefighters more aggressive than when i started many years back due to the increased protection…
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    Jon Newton
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    Well done. You make some awesome points. In regards to the "numbers".....(and kind of backing up your thought of changing tactics), we have often wondered why there is so much emphasis on RIT and the RIT/Industrial complex. I'm on Chicago and have worked in the Chicago Suburbs for almost 20 years. We've seen the advent…
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    Marshall Sampietro
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    spot on....
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    Ron Ayotte
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    ‚ÄúOver safetyification‚ÄĚ... Dave, that is the best description of what those who want to prevent us from doing the job want to do to the job.
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